But you think you got it all figured out - whiloe you continue to ignore every actual observation in the entire solar system - and right in froont of your nose - you just couldn't see or detect it a few years ago. Mars: the notion that Mars is warming came from an unfortunate conflation of weather and climate. Unfortunately, the prediction was completely wrong. It would be a suitable place for life if it were not so cold: its surface is at a freezing -180 °C. We need concensus and realistic goals. That the Local Bubble lies within 100-200 parsecs (326 to 652 light years) if the Sun clearly indicates the scales of "local" effects, and precludes any possibility that "the Solar System has begun to pass into" a magnetic field that has in fact been surrounding the solar system for tens of thousands of years. Carefully. Something is clearly wrong in the "skeptic" camp. You make no logical case at all against that idea, you don't even try and just hand wave. At the same time, some and perhaps even all of the extraterrestrial climate shifts are from mechanisms with no bearing on the Earth's climate. Magnetic flux has been considered as an element of the GCR argument. have damaged our ecosystems - just a debate over the degree to which we have damaged things. If we are to assume that some planets do not have seasonal variations, we need to have some serious basis for that, grounded in physics. "[E]vidence that CO2 is not the principle driver of warming on this planet is provided by the simultaneous warming of other planets and moons in our solar system, despite the fact that they obviously have no anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases. We can measure the various activities of the sun pretty accurately from here on Earth, or from orbit above it, so it is hard to ignore the discrepancy between the facts and the sceptical argument that the sun is causing the rise in temperatures. 1) The water discovered on Mars was discovered by an orbital platform that has been orbiting Mars since 2006. "It's like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun.". . ; "In fact, most scientists had either minimized the possible significance of the interstellar energy cloud or dismissed the whole notion of its existence altogether. No, Earth isn’t the only planet with weather. It went up right? We are not even fully understanding weather events happening on these planets. Use the search engine. It therefore cannot be the basis of recent changes in Earth's climate by itself. What do we do to achieve the least expensive means to accomplish this? the 1 degree hotter that the Earth's surface temperature has risen, in the past 150 years or so). It should be unnecessary to say that any significant climate changes related to the galaxy (if there are any) happens on a much, much larger time scale than a century or so! His interest in 2012 began while serving as chairman of a New Mexico research firm that holds the global patent for an ultra-high temperature plasma furnace designed to disintegrate deadly chemical and nuclear wastes. In direct opposition to the laws of thermodynamics. But that extra energy is distributed among all the components of "the Earth," which takes time. Make up your minds please. So those who claim to follow science are going to contiinue to ignore that during the same time frame that the earth became warmer - the Winds of venus increased - over the entire timeframe that the mission proceeded. Sunlight at Pluto is 900 times weaker than it is at the Earth. How can we say with any authority there are not energies we never encountered, and possibly can't even detect, influencing the delecate balance of our climate and maybe more, like the magnetic field? and your link is actually mashing four different phenomenon and three separate issues rolled into the one account. Comments Policy... You need to be logged in to post a comment. Login via the left margin or if you're new, register here. (For comparison, the Earth's magnetic field at the surface is 250,000 to 650,000 μG, and the Interplanatery Magnetic Field at Earth's orbit is 10 μG.) And could still be but we don't know - we haven't sent another probe back to check yet. Venus is covered by a thick atmosphere of carbon dioxide and clouds made of sulfuric acid. Consequently there is no basis from this data to conclude that changes in the solar wind are warming or cooling the Earth. Do your work. Also, if the cosmic dust cloud we're traveling through were to get any thicker, even by a small fraction, would that not also "trap" the sun's heat increasing the temperature of our solar system? Mars and Jupiter are not warming, and anyway the sun has recently been cooling slightly. However, most scientists agree that Mars was much warmer in the past and even had oceans, which means that the atmosphere was also very different. All of it. The 2009 NASA article to which you refer merely discusses improved understanding on what modulates that energy transfer. Then attempt to quantify what effect that amount of energy would have on the small rocky planet, 300 times less massive and much closer to the star. I've found this thread very intriguing (and long-running). That indicates a change in wind direction of about 6 degrees in only 40 years.". Eventually you could, I guess, but the barrage of stones required would be quite interesting. Use the controls in the far right panel to increase or decrease the number of terms automatically displayed (or to completely turn that feature off). The NASA Nordberg award was presented to Del Genio in 2017, honoring his “vision, leadership, and accomplishments in Earth system processes.” His talk was was on the implications for climate change related from cloud feedback — the coupling between cloudiness and surface air temperature where a surface air temperature change leads to a change in clouds. Doing so inserts a duplicate of your just-submitted comment. ScientiFix Can bacteria ‘migrate’ to other planets & survive? Why are not all planets and moons showing warming? Jupiter, whose magnetosphere is so large that its bow shock with the solar wind is 75 radii away? It seems scientists have noticed recently that quite a few planets in our solar system seem to be heating up a bit, including Pluto. Your "defense" is that the oven couldn't be warming the brisket because the brisket didn't cool when the oven's temperature was slightly lowered -- even though the oven's temperature was still well above the brisket's point of stasis. I'll add that not everything is a matter of point of view. It is astonishingly rapid in astronomical terms, but in terms of earthly impacts it is glacial. Not to worry, for Jacksan has additional evidence. A body of knowledge with which you have confessed lack of familiarity. Mars, Jupiter, Triton, Neptune, Pluto, and others share the fate of Earth. Uranus has an 84-year orbit … The solar wind did not spring into existence yesterday. What can we do to achieve some concensus? Finally, Jacksan draws our attention to a 2006 NASA prediction of a huge solar storm in 2012. Does it snow on other planets? [TD] Your comment is way off topic. Your 30 year scenario strawman is based upon then ignoring those flux ropes between the earth and the sun - knowing as we do that flux ropes transport superheated plasma from one end to the other. The solar wind is nothing new. There is absolutely no way of telling whether these phenomena happened regularly before or not. (1997, December 18). "It was very large, about as wide as Earth, and located approximately 40,000 miles above Earth's surface in a region called the magnetopause." Because of course you refuse to accept 99% of the data. More importantly, it predicted that "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one", that "the first sunspots of the next cycle appear in late 2006 or 2007--and Solar Max to be underway by 2010 or 2011", and that the next solar maximum "could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958". This energy, therefore, cannot account for the sudden, rapid rise in global temperatures over the 20th century. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/media/cassini-20080103_prt.htm. "How is that? It would surely explain the supposed temperature increases on other celestial objects (while understanding that some objects could still cool to lower temperatures simply because of its phase in its lifecycle). After twenty minutes, take it out and check the brisket's temperature. A new storm and a new red spot on Jupiter hints at climate change, USA TODAY and dozens of other sources explained yesterday. It was a one-off, with no intent to engage anyone. If you discover something just because you started looking, that thing was probably happening all along. I also have another source, please check it out: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24153-solar-system-caught-in-an-interstellar-tempest/ highlights: "The solar system is travelling through much stormier skies than we thought, and might even be about to pop out of the huge gas cloud we have been gliding through for at least 45,000 years. They show a total cumulative energy transfer to the ionsphere over the period 1997-2010 of 889,000 x 10^14 Joules (W(Ut)), representing approximately 60% of the total energy from the impacting solar wind (W(Usw)). It’s also worth noting that it takes about 240 million years for the Sun to complete one orbit around the centre of our galaxy, a period sometimes referred to as a cosmic year. Test your knowledge of how Earth is different from other planets, both within our solar system and beyond. All the outer planets have vastly longer orbital periods than Earth, so any climate change on them may be seasonal. 'Light Of The Stars' Looks To Other Planets To Illuminate Climate Change On Earth Adam Frank's valuable new book looks at the history of our search for other planets … Jupiter. And using keywords a backlink can higher attract more. mkuske, please do not refresh the page after submitting a comment. Visually more attractive and/or visitors who resulted in the same effect . So although parts of the Earth immediately start heating, there is a lag before the entire Earth system reaches a new temperature. On Titan, Saturn's largest moon, there is a moderate greenhouse effect, mostly due to the large concentrations of methane (another greenhouse gas) in its atmosphere. They are useful to see our errors and to help us make adjustments. But let's skip your analogy and use the real Earth. That's how it works. "Climate Warming," now re-fashioned into, "Climate Change," seems to be very little based on science and much more related to your political philosophy nowdays. - "On Christmas Eve, 2009, the startling hypothesis that our Solar System, the Sun and all its planets, are moving into a potentially dangerous and destabilizing interstellar energy cloud, was resoundingly sustained." then we must (somehow) discover some totally unexpected and new factor (a cooling factor) which nicely cancels out the 1 degree of AGW. (free to republish), Mars, Triton, Pluto and Jupiter all show global warming, pointing to the Sun as the dominating influence in determining climate throughout the solar system." The third issue is very poorly described and presented most sensationally. ", For more information about this intense high energy cloud and how it's being studied, check NASA own page http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ibex/news/ribbon-explained.html. Human beings are altering one of our planet's natural temperature regulators - the 'greenhouse effect'. Now NASA knew something was up, knew enough energy was being generated to disrupt satelites, probes, etc. Don't expect people to spoon feed you the info. Who could doubt the scientific credibility of that? No thermodynamics problem there? BTW, Jonplumb, the true center of the galaxy is not "fiery" but actually a Black Hole — the very opposite of "fiery". It really is that simple. What could have triggered such a huge change in climate? One thing I have not heard at all in the climate debate is that the Earth and entire Solar System are not only orbiting the Sun, but also, along with the Sun, are moving through Space orbiting the Galatic center. In his Huffington Post article, Joseph cites M Opher as claiming that "that the Solar System has begun to pass into" a magnetic field that is "at least twice as strong as had previously been predicted". As a matter of fact a better case could be made that the CO2 has kept this planet from reaching the highs of past warming events. There is every reason to conclude it is absolutely inconsequential to the climate. I heartilly recommend to as many people as possible that they do do the hard yards to become genuine scientists. This difference could also be a consequence of local distortion of the magnetic field in the solar vicinity. Frankly, you most recent post adds nothing new to the discussion, illustrating only your determination to shut your eyes to counter evidence with regard to your pet theory. Let's just hope that the supposed Galactic Rubber Band is not slingshotting our whole solar system right into the Black Hole! Skeptical Science is a user forum wherein the science of climate change can be discussed from the standpoint of the science itself. I would also like to see some scientific reference explaining why it is reasonable to assume that we can detect a climate change on a planet whose climate is barely hypothesized. Heating attributed to other solar bodies remains unproven. So many inferences about lack of research and data, now one about backyard quarterbacks (did you mean armchair quarterbacks? [DB] Off-topic snipped. Theories for the creation of the Local Cloud suggest that the magnetic fields are strong, of the order of 4–7 mG.". The Venusian atmosphere is mainly made up of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas. Long as the text called anchor from a wide What Climate Change Is Happening To Other Planets In The. By Jove! You try to justify outer panets wind speeds because there is no heat from the sun - then try to justify Venus's and earth's wind speeds because of heat from the sun. A multitude of weather phenomena have become observable on other planets only because we have recently acquired the means to observe them. Your strawmen convince no one but yourself. 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